Re: Anybody Out There?

Lynch,James Patrick ( (no email) )
Thu, 9 Jul 1998 08:14:00 -0500

Please let the studygroup discussions center on the exam. Please do not
clutter this forum with topics that don't involve the direct discussion
of Part 7 topics. Ancillary topics should be discussed in the Discussion
Forum.
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From: Michael F. Glatz
To: studygroup7; Gwendolyn L. Anderson; Giunta,Theresa; Budde, Paul
Cc: Bill Johnson
Subject: Re: Anybody Out There?
Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 9:26PM

Don't blame me. Blame the CAS. If they had a pre-exam, published fixed
score for passing, I would gladly help everyone pass. But, they don't.
Why
should I sacrifice my chances of passing an exam and the rewards that go
with it for someone else? Failing an exam is no fun, and watching
others
pass and get promoted because of exams ahead of talented, experienced
people
is worse. It's this profession's fault for emphasizing exams for
rewards to
the exclusion of work performance.

Unfortunately, we are not in college anymore. The exam process doesn't
foster the comradery like college to help out your fellow student. The
exam
process is a cut-throat process. The CAS has made it this way.

I don't see anything wrong with monitoring this list server. It is a
naive
assumption that this list server will increase the number of successful
candidates. HELLO! The CAS is only going to pass a fixed percentage of
the
people taking the exam. It used to be about 1/3 of the candidates, and
it
has been going down (remember the pass ratio for Part 7 last year?).
I'm
going to take every advantage that I can to pass Part 7, and I'm not
going
to apologize for it. I wish that we had a fair process to work with,
but we
don't. That's the choice of the CAS. If you want to be an actuary, you
have to live by their rules. You can't work to change the CAS unless
you
are a Fellow, and you can't be a Fellow unless you pass all of the
exams.

-----Original Message-----
From: Budde, Paul <Paul_Budde@blanch.com>
To: 'Michael F. Glatz' <mfglatz@one.net> Giunta,Theresa
<Theresa.Giunta@cna.com> Gwendolyn L. Anderson
<Gwendolyn_L._Anderson@ffic.com> studygroup7
<studygroup7@lists.casact.org>
Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 6:00 PM
Subject: RE: Anybody Out There?

>So you are willing to learn from the questions of others as posed in
>this forum, but not willing to assist others learn? Whether you
>participate in what Gwendolyn is organizing is besides the point. The
>only purpose for monitoring and contributing to this listserve is to
>learn from or assist each other. The ACAS/FCAS/(your raise for
passing)
>just aren't worth taking a me-only attitude towards life. Perhaps I am
>naive, but being in this position of taking exams after being a college
>teacher for years makes me quite sensistive to this issue. Or maybe I
>just don't want the designations badly enough
>
>I do respect your honest in admitting your position, however.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Michael F. Glatz [mailto:mfglatz@one.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 4:36 PM
>To: Giunta,Theresa; Gwendolyn L. Anderson; studygroup7
>Subject: Re: Anybody Out There?
>
>
>I am doing this for all of the papers right now.
>
>I am hesitant to share with other people though. I need for 2/3 of you
>to
>do worse than me on the exam. Helping out fellow exam takers lowers my
>chances of passing. This may sound terrible, but this is the attitude
>that
>the CAS indirectly promotes with the exam process.
>
>The only reason that I subscribe to this study group is to keep tabs on
>other students. :-)
>